Friday, October 2, 2009

A conversation I had with a Korean about language

So I'm not sure if most Koreans feel like this, or if she was just heavily feeling her menstrual cycle this month but she apparently doesn't understand why foreigners can't speak Korean.

have a question

[10/1/2009 4:57:24 AM] AJ Jenkins: yes

[10/1/2009 4:58:15 AM] Frannie Park: do u sometimes hang out with korean friends?

[10/1/2009 4:58:40 AM] Frannie Park: or usually with Enilish speaking friends?

[10/1/2009 4:59:00 AM] AJ Jenkins: mostly with English, sometimes with Korean

[10/1/2009 5:00:27 AM] Frannie Park: b/c oft he language , it's not easy to communicate with koreans, huh?

[10/1/2009 5:01:24 AM] AJ Jenkins: yeah, well some of them are good, like the counselors at my school speak ok English, but they would rather talk Korean with each other

[10/1/2009 5:02:09 AM] Frannie Park: they r koreans that's why they talk in korean
[10/1/2009 5:02:30 AM] Frannie Park: i was surprised to find that
[10/1/2009 5:03:17 AM] Frannie Park: americans expect koreans talk in English each other whenever americans and koreans r together

[10/1/2009 5:03:44 AM] AJ Jenkins: yeah because they know more English than we know Korean

[10/1/2009 5:04:06 AM] Frannie Park: don't take it personally

[10/1/2009 5:04:52 AM] AJ Jenkins: so it's either they don't talk to us at all or they talk to us in English

[10/1/2009 5:05:25 AM] Frannie Park: i'm a little bit not happy for English speakers not to try to pick up some basc korean language

[10/1/2009 5:06:44 AM] AJ Jenkins: you have to figure though most Koreans have been learning English since elementary and middle school
[10/1/2009 5:06:59 AM] AJ Jenkins: so we still won't be able to talk in full conversations
[10/1/2009 5:07:18 AM] AJ Jenkins: I know a good amount of Korean, but I still can't have full conversations

[10/1/2009 5:07:32 AM] Frannie Park: but still E is a foreign language in korea. and most of us don't need to speak E to live on

[10/1/2009 5:08:29 AM] AJ Jenkins: that's why I said it's either no talking at all, or talk in English
[10/1/2009 5:08:43 AM] AJ Jenkins: so if you don't want to speak English then you just won't talk to any foreigners

[10/1/2009 5:09:13 AM] Frannie Park: thank u for letting me know what foreigners expect to korenan people. talk in English ir no talking when we r together

[10/1/2009 5:09:37 AM] AJ Jenkins: so what you expect foreigners to learn Korean in a few months?
[10/1/2009 5:10:03 AM] AJ Jenkins: I'm saying that's the only way possible to speak

[10/1/2009 5:10:09 AM] Frannie Park: basic survival korean such as
[10/1/2009 5:10:21 AM] Frannie Park: 안녕하세요. 고맙습니다.
[10/1/2009 5:10:24 AM] Frannie Park: 잠깐만요
[10/1/2009 5:10:36 AM] Frannie Park: 맛있어요

[10/1/2009 5:10:41 AM] AJ Jenkins: ok but that doesn't mean talking, like I said, I know basic words, but I can't hold full conversations in Korean

[10/1/2009 5:10:44 AM] Frannie Park: 어디로 가나요?
[10/1/2009 5:11:00 AM] Frannie Park: u know what?
[10/1/2009 5:11:29 AM] Frannie Park: u don;t need to keep the conversation 100 % in korean

[10/1/2009 5:12:05 AM] AJ Jenkins: those few Korean phrases you posted will last a few seconds, and the MAJORITY of the conversation will need to be in English
[10/1/2009 5:12:35 AM] AJ Jenkins: that's the ONLY way it will be unless a foreigner is here for multiple years and wants to fluently learn the language

[10/1/2009 5:14:49 AM] Frannie Park: many E speakers including my co-worker in my shool don't know or don't try to learn that basic korean
[10/1/2009 5:15:35 AM] Frannie Park: we don;t expect foreigners talk korea fluently, not at all

[10/1/2009 5:15:56 AM] AJ Jenkins: well if they don't want to, then that's their personal choice

[10/1/2009 5:16:10 AM] Frannie Park: right

[10/1/2009 5:16:10 AM] AJ Jenkins: just like you didn't have to learn English, but you wanted to

[10/1/2009 5:17:14 AM] Frannie Park: but in the work place , as long as they r in korea, they need to follow korean way to keep the rule
[10/1/2009 5:17:36 AM] Frannie Park: i chose to learn E
[10/1/2009 5:17:41 AM] Frannie Park: i like E
[10/1/2009 5:18:17 AM] Frannie Park: bur I mean many foreigners expect every korenas speak E well
[10/1/2009 5:18:29 AM] Frannie Park: for example

[10/1/2009 5:18:36 AM] AJ Jenkins: I can't speak for them, I can only speak for me

[10/1/2009 5:19:25 AM] Frannie Park: ok. it seems to bother u

[10/1/2009 5:20:03 AM] AJ Jenkins: well I'm only ONE foreigner, I can't speak for the thousands of other foreigners that are here
[10/1/2009 5:20:49 AM] Frannie Park: personally i want them to show us respect for korean custom and korean lg.

[10/1/2009 5:22:37 AM] AJ Jenkins: well you should then talk to them

[10/1/2009 5:23:29 AM] Frannie Park: do they know that point when they r told by word ?
[10/1/2009 5:23:37 AM] Frannie Park: it's kind of a common sense
[10/1/2009 5:23:46 AM] Frannie Park: when u r in foreign country
[10/1/2009 5:24:26 AM] Frannie Park: how come they expect the landlady say E fluently.
[10/1/2009 5:25:21 AM] Frannie Park: how com they compalin about other subject teachers don;t speka E when they r together.

[10/1/2009 5:25:45 AM] AJ Jenkins: I, myself, me, AJ, can't answer those questions for you.

[10/1/2009 5:26:49 AM] Frannie Park: i don;t want to have an answer from u
[10/1/2009 5:27:20 AM] Frannie Park: i just don't understand some foreigners' attitude
[10/1/2009 5:27:51 AM] Frannie Park: maybe we can find the solution thru 대화
[10/1/2009 5:28:31 AM] Frannie Park: no offense
[10/1/2009 5:31:52 AM] Frannie Park: nice to talk with u. it was helpful for me to get the idea, '" in english or no talking at all"
[10/1/2009 5:32:39 AM] Frannie Park: have a nice day. sorry , to u, sleep tight~

[10/1/2009 5:32:42 AM] AJ Jenkins: yep


I don't get what was so hard for her to understand that it would take years of learning before foreigners could speak with the same level of Korean, that most Koreans speak with English???
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